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Monday, June 17, 2013

The Last of Us Ending Explained


I'm going to touch on a few things leading up to the end of the game, the final scene itself, and Joel's decision to save Ellie.  These are just my thoughts  and theories about how the story played out and what I took away from it.

Warning!  Don't read any further if you want to avoid spoilers, granted you shouldn't even be here unless you've finished the game already.

Breaking Down Ellie's Changed Demeanor

So come spring time we notice Ellie just isn't the same, she lags behind a bit, isn't paying attention to anything Joel is saying, and at times appears to be lost in thought.  What's happened?  Well, quite frankly she's been through a lot and their journey has taken a toll on her, the things they've seen and the things they've had to do to endure.

Their winter was rough.  Joel nearly died, and the whole experience with the creepy cannibal guy that captured Ellie has had an effect on her.  Up until then they've managed to luck out and scrape by, but the winter experience brought her back down to Earth, she no longer sees them as infallible or indestructible.  She realizes their goal of finding the Fireflies could come crashing down at any moment.  It's why her conversation with Joel about her dream with the plane crash is so important, it represents her uncertainty and lack of confidence about ever making it.


It's hard not to get that looming feeling of dread as they close in on the hospital.  Whenever they think they've finally made it to the Fireflies, the Fireflies are never there and something always goes awry.  Why should the hospital be any different?  She starts to think that maybe the whole time they've been chasing an unattainable goal, a pipe dream.

But they have to keep going, they've come all this way.  It's why when Joel tells her at the giraffe scene outside the hospital that they don't have to keep going, that they can go stay at Tommy's she turns down the offer and wants to continue on.  Even with the doubts she now has she has to push on, she goes on to say that everything they've done "it can't be for nothing".

The Final Scene

What the final scene meant.

What can you gather from it and does Ellie know that Joel is lying?

Oddly enough we get to play as Ellie in the very brief but final chapter, but before we get control of her we see her pull up her sleeve and look at her bite.  She then jumps out of the car and walks with Joel through the woods to Tommy's place, all the while Joel is talking about his daughter for once.  He goes on to say that they would have been good friends and that Ellie would have liked that.  Ellie responds in a quiet and somber tone "I'm sure I would have", and you get the feeling right away that something is off.

They continue on until Tommy's place comes into view, they're about to keep going when Ellie inevitably holds Joel up.  She goes into the story of how her best friend was bitten with her and that they decided to wait it out and lose their minds together.  She then says "I'm still waiting for my turn" and proceeds to mention that first it was her best friend, then Tess, and then Sam.

I get the impression that from having the people around her get bitten and turn while she stays immune has had an effect on her.  That it's something she doesn't want to see happen again, and something that she doesn't want anyone else to experience, and that she could have helped make it that way.  I think she's trying to convey this to Joel but he doesn't pick up on it, he tells her that "none of that is on you" and she even says "No, you don't understand" but Joel cuts her off.

While clutching his broken watch he tells her that to survive, "no matter what, you keep finding something to fight for".  I think at this point Ellie has given up on the point of telling her story to Joel and cuts to the chase, she's had her doubts about what happened so she asks Joel straight out to swear to her that what he said happened with the Fireflies is true.

And he does, and at this point I think she knows he is lying but she accepts it.  All they have left is each other and Joel will protect her from anything no matter what.  They've come a long way from Joel wanting nothing to do with her, to Ellie seeking Joel's approval, and finally to them completely bonding and caring for one another.  She knows he is lying but she doesn't exactly know the truth either and if it's something he'd lie about to protect her, that's good enough.

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There is a letter to Ellie from her mother in Ellie's backpack at the end of the game that helps show why Ellie accepts Joel's lie.
Ellie,
I'm going to share a secret with you.  I'm not a big an of kids and I hate babies.  And yet...I'm staring at you and I'm awestruck. 
You're not even a day old, and holding you is the most incredible thing I've done in my life - a life that is about to get cut a little short. 
Marlene will look after you.  There's no one in this world I trust more than her.  When the time comes she'll tell you all about me.  Don't give her too much of a hard time..  Try not to be as stubborn as me. 
I'm not going to lie, this is a pretty messed up world.  It won't be easy.  the thing you always have to remember is that, lie is worth living!  Find your purpose and fight for it. 
I see so much strength in you.  I know you'll turn out to be the woman you're meant to be. 
Forever... Your loving mother. 
Anna 
Make me proud, Ellie!
Just another layer of depth for a story that was masterfully written and executed.  But that aside it further goes to show what Ellie told Joel earlier that everyone she's ever cared about has either died or left her, everyone except for Joel.  Joel is the only person in her life who hasn't abandoned her, handed her off, or died on her.  And she knows he never will, so even though he basically lies to her face about what happened it's more than just a lie to Ellie, it solidifies the fact that Joel is the only person who won't leave her and will always do whatever it takes to protect her.

Why I think Ellie knew he was lying.

This is one part gut feeling and one part Savage Starlight.  Based on Ellie's expressions and tones in the final scene I just get the feeling she knows.  And honestly she has to know things must have been sketchy by the way she woke up in the car and the story he told her considering how special Marlene likely made out her immunity to be before sending her off with Joel and Tess.  Just the fact that she doubts it at all and has to ask him to swear it to her is very telling in my opinion.

What kind of seals it for me is the Savage Starlight comics, one entry in particular but I'll get to that in a moment.  If you paid any attention to the comic books you come across in game that Ellie has taken a fancy to, you would have noticed that the characters and plot in the comics go hand in hand with what's going on in the game.  In it's own way it sort of emulates what is happening to Ellie but as the character Daniela as she travels through space.  Ellie even goes on to say at the university that she would want to be an astronaut witch convinces me even more of the parallel between the game's story and the comics.

Now with that said, the one issue that sold it for me was the last issue which goes as follows.
Savage Starlight 14: Singularity
The travelers have been crippled... for now.  Daniela’s daring plan, and her seemingly miraculous escape back home, have made her a galvanizing figurehead to the last watch. Captain Ryan’s sacrifice, has made him a martyr, an illusiion Daniela won’t dispel. But how long can she keep what really happened a secret?
"An illusion Daniela won't dispel." refers to the doubts she has about Joel's story and the fact that she can't dismiss them or shake them from her mind.  "But how long can she keep what really happened a secret?", to me this could mean one of two things.  Either she knew something was up on the trip back to Tommy's and finally gave in and confronted Joel about it, or, that she knows that he lied about what happened when he swore to her and how long will she be able to accept and live with that lie.

Either way I can't see any way she knows what went down or how it went down, but she knows Joel isn't being honest about it.

Why we control Ellie in the last chapter.

Did anyone else think it was a bit odd to be controlling Ellie during the last chapter?  I mean sure we've controlled her before but there was a more tangible reason for doing so then.  But now?

For one, I think it means that she does know that Joel is lying.  Two, I think she is sort of in the driver's seat now.  She's matured and really come into her own over the course of the game.  While Joel will always be there to protect her, she is much more capable of taking care of herself and Joel.  Three, perspective.  The way in which the final chapter plays out with Joel talking about his daughter and then the final cutscene I think it's important that we get to see the way in which Ellie is taking it, because for Joel, the whole ordeal seems to be something he wants to put behind him and move on from, while for Ellie it's something she can't shake from her head.

Four, while Naughty Dog has said if there is a sequel it's doubtful that it will include Joel or Ellie and that their story ended with the game.  The way in which it ended with you controlling Ellie is the perfect setup for controlling Ellie in a would be sequel.  That aside, I'm torn on the idea of a sequel.  On one side I believe The Last of Us to be an amazing standalone game/story that I wouldn't want ruined with a sequel that doesn't live up to the first game or somehow cheapens it.  On the other side, I've become so attached to the game and even more so the characters, I desperately want more.

Joel's Decision

I've seen a lot of people saying that Joel's decision was selfish and/or screwed over mankind.  I find both of these statements a bit irritating.  Sure one could say that it should have been Ellie's choice, which I don't disagree with. But it's clear to me that Ellie never had a say in the matter anyway regardless of what her choice would have been, and by the time she could have things were already too far gone.  So on to Joel's decision to shoot up the hospital and save Ellie from fatal surgery.

Well let's pretend for a minute that you just woke up and found that the one person in life that you cared about was about to die from an elective surgery.  Also consider that you were never told that person elected to have the surgery and that you couldn't see or talk to that person.  Then imagine being beaten by a guard and then threatened to be killed if you try.  Now imagine being escorted out of the building and being told not to come back.  What would you do again?  What would you think was happening?

To me it seems as though Joel's protective instinct kicked in more than anything.  The whole situation is a lot to take in right away and feels a bit fishy to say the least.  If he wanted to save Ellie let alone just see and talk to her he really wasn't left with a peaceful option.  Would you have just said "ok" and went about your life? Things didn't sit right with him and he was gonna do something about it and fuck whoever gets in his way.  Was it the right choice?  I don't know, but it's the choice I would have made.

As far as screwing over mankind, I find that laughable.  Mankind was screwed over in the first place and a vaccine wasn't going to change any of that.  I'll share a quote with you from Rafael Sabatini's "Captain Blood".
“It came to Mr. Blood, as he trudged forward under the laden apple-trees on that fragrant, delicious July morning, that man—as he had long suspected—was the vilest work of God, and that only a fool would set himself up as a healer of a species that was best exterminated.
From everything we've seen in The Last of Us, does this quote not accurately apply to the majority of mankind that we find left in the game?  Are they really worth saving?  Vaccine or not, the oppressive military will continue to oppress and withhold rations while the gangs of hunters, murderers, and looters will continue to hunt, murder, and loot those weaker than them.  So it seems to me that you have just as good a chance of becoming infected as you do being killed by mankind itself.  There really isn't any reason to put your stock or faith in humanity at this point.  And who's to say they would have successfully made a vaccine?

So I'll take the one person I care about and go back to the one safe, friendly haven I know of and make some sort of life for ourselves in this fucked up world before letting that person die for basically the worst of mankind.  One could argue that the Fireflies botched the whole thing, one sit down with Joel and Ellie to discuss the surgery could have ended in Ellie electing to go through with the surgery and telling Joel it was what she wanted to do.  He would no doubt try and talk her out of it, but I don't think Joel could stop her at that point, it isn't his call to make.  But the fact that there wasn't a sign that anyone made a call outside of Marlene is what spelled disaster for a potential cure.

Ellie's Surgery

I have to touch on this because there are a few things bothering me about the whole situation.  Most of all that Ellie didn't have a say in the surgery and quite frankly didn't know about it at all.  It's quite irksome to me that they would go ahead and just start the surgery without consulting Ellie.  It actually helps justify Joel's decision in my opinion.

1) Teach me how to swim!

This just sets up the premise that Ellie sacrificing her life for a cure was never considered by Joel or Ellie.  Shortly before getting to the hospital both Joel and Ellie mention things they could do once it's all over.  Joel says he'll teach her to play guitar and Ellie says he can teach her to swim.  This leads one to believe they both expected her to survive whatever the Fireflies were going to do with her.

2) Ellie rushed into surgery for no explainable reason.

So why is Ellie being prepped for surgery already?  Is one day going to stop the Fireflies from creating a vaccine?  Why not wait to do the surgery until Joel woke up for one last goodbye?  If the Fireflies would have waited we may have had an entirely different ending.

3) Joel wakes up with a guard posted on him.

This spells trouble right off the bat.  You know things aren't good if there is an armed guard waiting for you to wake up.  You would think Marlene being there would be enough.  Once again, not having Ellie around makes the whole ordeal seem fishy at best, between that, the guard, and not being allowed to see her you can't really fault Joel for being pissed off and worried.

4)"There is no other choice".

After finding out about the surgery, Joel tells Marlene to "find someone else" and asks her "why are you letting this happen", Marlene responds quite vehemently that "there is no other choice".

How do we take this?  No other choice for whom exactly?  And obviously there are other choices, choices of course that may not result in a vaccine, but choices nonetheless.  But do we imply with that statement that it's solely Marlene's decision and that she will go through with the surgery regardless of whether or not Ellie or anyone else agrees to it?  That is how I took it anyway.

5) "It's what she'd want".

Before Joel shoots Marlene in the parking garage, while referring to the surgery she tells Joel "it's what she'd (Ellie) want".  Again, how do we take this?  Regardless of whether or not you think Ellie would go through with the surgery or not, Marlene didn't say "it's what she wants" or "it's what she wanted".  Which leads me to believe that Ellie wasn't aware of the surgery whatsoever let alone the finality of it.  And why would that be if Marlene thinks it's what she would have wanted?

6) Ellie's lack of memory of anything that transpired at the hospital.

When Ellie wakes up in the backseat of the car she asks "What the hell am I wearing?" referring to the hospital gown and then asks Joel "what happened?"

She doesn't recognize the gown because she wasn't aware of the surgery in the first place.  They revived her when they picked up Joel and Ellie and immediately drugged her and started running tests.  So the surgery nor the potential cure with her sacrificing herself was ever discussed and she was unconscious during her entire stay at the hospital.  This really wouldn't surprise me because I get the feeling that even though Marlene has known Ellie since she was born, she seems to treat Ellie less as a person and more like a vital lab specimen.

Anyway, those are my thoughts, it was a bit long and a bit sloppy but that's why I don't get paid to write, thanks for reading!

44 comments:

  1. Thanks for posting. I surfed on in looking for a copy of the letter to Ellie from her Mom... I don't own the game and have no time to play it even if I did, so I just watched a playthrough on YouTube and loved it. I didn't find what I was looking for, but I really appreciated your thoughts on the ending. Bang on.

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    1. Thanks for reading and taking time to comment, I appreciate it.

      Sadly I missed the letter in my playthrough and didn't find out about it until after I wrote this. It helps explain why Ellie accepted Joel's lie. She's been abandoned and handed off her whole life and Joel is the only person who hasn't done that and would never do that.

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  2. great post it really finalized the game for me! thanks!

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  3. After reading your analysis, I think that the last conversation, where Ellie asks if everything Joel said was true and Joel's response "I swear", is more of a parallel to Ellie asking Joel "Are you really going to stick with me and never leave/abandon me. And Joel's response is "I swear I won't leave you." After first watching the ending, I thought that Ellie wanted to know the truth about the Fireflies and the potential vaccine, and maybe she would have gone back if she found out the truth. But, after thinking about the conversations throughout the game and how Ellie was more afraid of being alone than anything else, I would like to think that the final conversation is actually her way of solidifying that Joel will always stay with her, even if he knows that she could save mankind. The game had so many things going on - zombie apocalype, search for a cure, and others. But, the real focus of the game was the relationship between these two characters, not the search for a cure/vaccine. If the entire game was focused on this, it seems like the ending would be also. So, I have changed my opinion of the ending from:
    Ellie wanted to know the truth, gave Joel the chance to tell the truth, knew he was lying but accepted it anyways, leaving them to live out a rocky relationship somewhat built on a lie.
    To: Ellie is still struggling with whether or not Joel will eventually leave her like everyone else has, she asks him to swear that the story about the Fireflies is true, but what she is really asking is "do you swear to stay with me", because if Joel isn't willing to leave her in order to save mankind with a vaccine, then there is no reason why he would ever leave her.
    Maybe this is just what I want the ending to mean, but if I don't believe this, then I will be thinking about this game and the ending for way too long. Also, I think that controlling Ellie at the end is a way of showing that Ellie and Joel have kind of switched places and positions. Joel has his "daughter" back, and with that a large chunk of his humanity and a great reason to keep on living a happy life. He is more open to Ellie and willing to have conversations, even about his daughter. Ellie has become somewhat like Joel, as this world demands if you want to survive. She has had to become more cold like him, hide some of her feelings like he did, and live with some pretty hellish experiences and memories. I just hope that with Joel's promise to stay with her, she can feel comfortable and safe enough to keep being Ellie. I hope that her simple response "Okay", at the end, is her way of saying that they will not concern themselves with the rest of the world and trying to save mankind, but instead will live out their lives together in a father/daughter relationship where Dad will do anything to protect his little girl. It is what both of them have wanted for a long time.

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    1. "if I don't believe this, then I will be thinking about this game and the ending for way too long."

      Haha good luck, I have some pretty firm beliefs about the game and the ending but it hasn't helped me at all. There is hardly a minute that goes by that I don't still think about it.

      I saw a girl today around Ellie's age and it didn't even look like Ellie but for some reason I just completely lost track of what I was doing and starting thinking about Ellie and how the ending played out for her.

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  4. I apologize in advance. I'm going to clutter up your comments section with my own analysis. It's just, I don't have a lot of people I can discuss this game with, and it's a game worthy of discussion. Your analysis was really well done and intelligent, so I thought I'd add my thoughts. Hope you don't mind. If it's annoying, please feel free to delete it.

    1) I don't think Ellie KNEW Joel was lying. But I think she strongly suspected that he was. After all, his story didn't make sense.

    Joel says the Fireflies don't need her, and they've given up looking for a cure. But Ellie didn't wake up in the Firefly camp, with Fireflies saying, "Thanks for making the trip, but we don't need you anymore." When she woke up, Joel told her that she's still drugged. And she woke up in a car, driving away from the Firefly camp, while still wearing a hospital gown.

    If they didn't need her and had given up looking for a cure, why was she drugged? Why was she wearing a hospital gown, instead of her own clothes? Why were they now on the road, driving away from the Firefly camp? Why did they leave before she woke up? Why didn't she get to speak to the doctors before they left? Why did they have to leave so quickly?

    She'd clearly met with some doctors. The doctors had clearly drugged her. They were clearly trying to do some sort of medical treatment on her. And yet, they're now speeding away from the Firefly camp, no doctors in sight, the drugs they'd given her hadn't even had the time to wear off before they left, and they hadn't even had time for her to change back into her clothes before getting out of there.

    Joel's story doesn't make any sense. At the very least, it raises an awful lot of questions, which Joel doesn't even attempt to answer. So I think she suspects that he's lying, and something has happened that he's not telling her. And knowing Joel, that "something" probably involved killing people.

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    1. Haha don't worry, I don't plan to get comments in the first place so you're welcome to clutter them up.

      1)See to me, what you're saying is why she did know he was lying to her. It's obvious she had her doubts, otherwise she wouldn't have confronted him about it.

      It's when he swears to her that he's telling the truth she knows for sure because there is no way things could have played out as simple as he made it out to be and then wake up in the car wearing strange clothes and not knowing what the hell happened. The circumstance was just too absurd for him to just write if off like he did and believe it.

      That's how I took it anyway.

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  5. 2) Joel's decision is not quite as bad as it might first appear. After Joel wakes up, and you're sneaking around and through Firefly guards trying to get to Ellie, there are a couple of voice recordings.

    There's a journal and a couple of recordings from Marlene. In the recordings, Marlene says that the doctors have asked Marlene for permission to kill Ellie to get a vaccine, but it's just a formality. Marlene thinks they'll do it even if she doesn't give them permission. Marlene is clearly struggling with the issue, and in the recordings, acts like she's talking to Annie, Ellie's dead mom, and says Ellie will be with her soon. I think this is probably to set up the fact that Marlene has pure motives. She actually has some personal obligation to look after Ellie, so her decision to sacrifice Ellie for the possibility of a vaccine was not an easy decision for Marlene. I think it also distinguishes between a mother’s love for her daughter, and Marlene’s obligation to Ellie. While listening the recording, I kept thinking that Annie would never sacrifice her daughter, not even if it would save everyone else on earth.

    There's another recording by the doctors. They talk about other attempts to find a vaccine. They talk about how the doctors have tried several times before to analyze what makes people immune and create a cure or vaccine. All those attempts have failed. But the doctor is hopeful that Ellie (the recording doesn't use her name, but I think it's clear who he's talking about) is different because her immunity seems to be different.

    I think this is important for a couple of reasons. First, when Joel says there have been "dozens" of other people who were immune, he was right. Ellie's not the only one that's immune.

    Second, the recording shows that they're not positive that they can make a vaccine from her. So they might kill her and still get nothing.

    It's not a binary equation: kill Ellie and get a vaccine vs. don't kill Ellie and get no vaccine. They're not sure they can get a vaccine from her, and there are other people who were immune. They still might be able to make a vaccine from someone else (although their best chance appears to be with Ellie).

    So Joel's decision doesn't destroy any hope that they're going to find a vaccine. He just destroys their current best hope at finding one. He decides that they're not going to sacrifice Ellie for a chance to find one.

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    1. 2)I think you're misinterpreting the one recording. He never says the past cases they've studied were with other people who were immune. In fact he says her infection is like nothing he's ever seen and goes on to say how in all other cases the blood cultures rapidly grow cordyceps whereas her blood lines are completely normal.

      As far as the recording showing they weren't positive they could formulate a vaccine I agree to an extent. It doesn't sound 100% fullproof.

      The problem with this though is if you were to use it to justify Joel's actions, he had already made up his mind he was going to stop the surgery before finding the recording.

      As far as the binary equation, I agree but for other reasons due to the fact that they haven't come across anyone else that is immune (imo). With enough time and research I would believe they could eventually figure something out based on the knowledge that it may have been plausible that they could do something with Ellie. Also, it is highly improbable that Ellie is the only example of her case in all of mankind.

      Also, sidenote. There is a theory that Ellie is immune because her mother was infected when she gave birth. Don't know if you've seen that one.

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  6. 3) That last conversation was really well done. It's a powerful scene, in part because Joel and Ellie are talking about different things.

    Joel thinks Ellie is talking about survivor guilt. In fact, that's what Joel is feeling. He's projecting what he's feeling onto her. And -- importantly -- it's also why he lied to Ellie. He told her that they're not looking for her anymore so that she can go on living without feeling bad for all the people who have died, when she possibly could have prevented it, or could prevent it still. This also explains why he's acted the way he has -- being cold to her, then killing all those people to ensure that they survived. He was finding something to fight for.

    And you can't fight for everyone. That's not how human nature works. Outside of videogames, no one ever fights for some abstract concept of humanity. You fight for the people around you that you love. Joel would have burned the whole world down to save Ellie. That's just the way human nature is. Nobody is objectively utilitarian, choosing the benefit for the greatest number. Screw the ones you don't know. You fight for the ones you love.

    All those people Joel killed were doing the exact same thing Joel and Ellie were doing. They were trying to survive. But we rooted for Joel and Ellie because they're us. The most utilitarian solution in this game -- resulting in the survival of the most people -- would have been for Joel and Ellie to die at the beginning. That would have stopped Joel and Ellie from killing dozens of people. But we don't choose that because we're not utilitarian. Not really.

    We choose the ones we love. We're not noble. We're not selfless. We choose the ones we love.

    Allowing Joel to choose the utilitarian solution at the end -- letting Ellie die for a chance at the vaccine -- would have been dishonest. It would have undermined the entire point of the game. It would have been a reversal of Joel's motivation. He'd just spent the entire game killing anyone and everyone so that Ellie could live. And now he's going to choose anyone and everyone over Ellie? No.

    We choose the ones we love. That's Joel's point.

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    1. "Allowing Joel to choose the utilitarian solution at the end -- letting Ellie die for a chance at the vaccine -- would have been dishonest. It would have undermined the entire point of the game. It would have been a reversal of Joel's motivation. He'd just spent the entire game killing anyone and everyone so that Ellie could live. And now he's going to choose anyone and everyone over Ellie? No."

      Nailed it right on the head.

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  7. It’s much more difficult to figure out what Ellie’s talking about, because she never actually finishes her story. So what is she talking about?

    First, Ellie says that she and her friend thought the results of their infection would be "poetic." Nothing about what's happened since has been poetic. It's been brutal and real. Ellie was right when she said that they were going to "lose their minds together," because everyone is losing their minds.

    Ellie says that her best friend "was the first to die." Then Tess, then Sam. That's not a full list of everyone who's died. It's a list of people that Ellie cared about who died from infection.

    I think Ellie suspected what actually happened with Joel at the Firefly camp. I think she suspected that Joel had figured out that she was going to die, and that Joel – doing what Joel does – had gone on a killing rampage and rescued her. I think she was saying this infection – one way or another – was going to kill everyone. Had already killed everyone.
    She couldn’t physically be overtaken by the fungus – she was physically immune – but even the people who weren’t infected had their lives destroyed by the infection. Civilization is in tatters. People who weren’t killed by the infection, were killed by the infected, or were killed by people who became bandits in order to survive the infection.

    And even those that had survived – so far – had been killed in other ways. Their loved ones had been killed. At best, they were barely eking out an existence and surviving from moment to moment. Sam couldn’t own a single toy. Tess had become a bandit. And Ellie had to make a death pact with her best friend, watch someone else kill dozens of men to protect her, and kill dozens more herself just to survive.

    She was saying, *we’ve already lost everything that makes us human.* She was saying *we’re already dead, our bodies just don’t know it yet.* She was saying she’s made peace with that. She's saying that she's ok with the idea of giving up this wretched life if it means people can actually live again.

    I think that’s why she got so quiet when they arrived at the campus. I think she was coming to terms with everything she’d done, everything she’d endured, and everything she was about to endure. Because I think she suspected that the Fireflies would kill her if it would make a vaccine for everyone else. One way or another, this was the end. If nothing else, this trip had shown her that people will kill everyone else if it means they get to survive for a little bit longer. They'll do anything to take one more breath, even if they have to kill you and suck that last bit of air right out of your lungs to do it.

    I think Ellie is saying that, in light of what everyone has lost, it's not such a bad idea to sacrifice her for some good. She was ok with that.

    She asks Joel to swear to her that everything he's said about the Fireflies was true, because she expected him to confess. She expected him to say, "It doesn't matter. I'm not giving you up." Because she understood that's what he'd chosen, and what he'd done. She understood that Joel had chosen her over everyone else.

    But Joel chose to continue the lie. Ellie looks sad. But she says, "Okay." She accepts that it's imperfect, that it's not "poetic." That it's ignoble and fucked up. But it's the way the world is. It's sad, but it's also all we've got.

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    1. I get what you're saying here but I just find it hard to see it this way.

      As much as I believe she would have given her life, I find it hard to believe she felt like she had to or that she was telling Joel that she was ok with it. I see no way where she could have thought it would have to come to that. I'm sure she suspected things must not have been so great with the Firelies based on the state she was in when she woke up, but really there is no way she could have known anything about it really in my mind or that it ultimately came to that. She just knew it was something Joel obviously wasn't ok with.

      I don't believe she was quiet come spring because she suspected the fireflies would kill her to make a vaccine. First off she didn't know what the Firelies would do with her, she just knew that her case was special and that it could hold the key to fighting cordyceps. So whether it's a vaccine, surgery, or anything for that matter, she had no insight into what they could possibly need to do to her.

      Part of why she was quiet does have to do with what they've had to endure though. The winter was sort of an awakening. It's why they put the conversation about her dream with the plane crash, if you know anything about dreams, it's a common one. It represents a loss of power or control and that you think the goals that you've set may be too high and that they'll come crashing down on you. The winter was the loss of power and control, it was the first time they nearly lost everything. It was a sign that they weren't as untouchable as she thought they were, it made her lose confidence. And with the hospital looming, the closer they came to it, the more worried she became that it would all come crashing down. It's really what the dream stands for and I hardly think they would put that conversation in the game if that isn't what it was supposed to stand for.

      As far as asking Joel to swear that what he said happened, happened, she wanted the truth, it's why she took the trouble of telling the story in the first place. She was tying to make him understand what her immunity meant to her and why she fought so hard to get all the way to the Fireflies.

      excerpt from Ellie's letter from mom:

      "I'm not going to lie, this is a pretty messed up world. It won't be easy. the thing you always have to remember is that, life is worth living! Find your purpose and fight for it."

      She's had to watch people around her get infected and she's still waiting her turn. If she has the ability to stop people from getting infected she wanted to do it. It was what she considered to be her purpose and she didn't want it to be for nothing. That's why she really wanted to know and that is why she is sad when Joel swears to her, and even though she knows he is lying she's still lost that purpose.

      And furthermore she knows only Joel would lie to her about it, that he is trying to protect her. It's a sign that he loves and cares about her. It's the last sign that Joel is the only person who hasn't left her, and with that lie she knows he never will. It's why she accepts it, they are eachother's purpose now, all they have left are eachother and they'll both do whatever it takes to hang on to that.

      Also, of topic again... based on what Naughty Dog has said, Ellie does know that Joel lied to her.

      "The original ending that for a long time we discussed is Ellie would believe the lie and you’d see them walking off to Tommy’s town and the camera would track up and you’d feel like, they’re going to be okay. It was about a week before we shot that scene and we thought, this isn’t honest, this doesn’t feel right, Ellie would know, I don’t buy it, we have to change this."

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  8. Hello,
    I’ve read your analysis and congrats it’s nicely done. I’ve also read the comments and I’d like to know how you concluded that Ellie would have sacrificed herself if given the choice. Honestly, I didn’t find any hints or facts that “said” that within the game. Yes we have Marlene answer but she said “It’s what she’d want” it’s an assumption, we might have some sort of answer from Joel by his “look” but I find that doubtful and even that it’s still would be an assumption. We still don’t have Ellie’s answer and the game doesn’t give it. I’ve always said if it’s not within the story it doesn’t exist. Some might argue that she would (might) have chosen to sacrifice herself on a few details like when she said “I’m still waiting for my turn” or her answer when Joel wants to turn back after the giraffes but we can interpret that many others different ways, it’s not absolute.

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    1. Hey there,

      It is an assumption that she'd sacrifice herself given the opportunity. There isn't any evidence in the game that she would or would not so it's something that people are no doubt debating.

      In my opinion, if Marlene and the doctors would have sat down with her and talked about it she would have gone through with it. I think given the fact that she'd come so far, how important and rare her "special" condition was made out to be, and that she sort of made it her purpose to make a difference with her immunity that she would have sacrificed herself.

      Also, I'm not a big fan of the "I'm still waiting my turn" argument that she wanted to die or that she was ready to sacrifice herself. I don't think that's what she meant at all, furthermore I don't think she ever wanted to die or thought she would have to. It's like you said, we don't have Ellie's potential answer and the game doesn't provide it. She never had knowledge of the surgery or of a sacrifice so it's basically speculation.

      Anyway, thanks for the comment and thanks for reading.

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    2. Thanks for answering my comment. Yes I get there is a lot of assumptions and opinions running around for this game. Maybe it’s
      one of the goals set by Naughty Dog.

      In my opinion, like it was established that there is no evidence or facts linking a potential answer about a sacrifice I’ll go with my personal tastes here , she wouldn’t have sacrifice herself because I wouldn’t. I mean c’mon who seriously would ask a 14 y-o girl or anyone for that matter to sacrifice herself/himself and expect an affirmative answer, for me it’s just beyond weird and wrong. Also, using the journey, her condition and her “mission” to justify that is, while a good metal exercise, not convincing nor compelling for me. It’s my opinion. And we’re back at speculation.

      Like I said: if it’s not within the story (or/and the narrative) it doesn’t exist. Sometime it helps.
      (My personal motto)

      I do agree on the part that Ellie never wanted to die though. I’ve never saw something that hint Ellie wanted to die within the game anyway.
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    3. I agree, I wouldn't ask someone to sacrifice themselves either, whether they are 14 or not. If it's their idea or they want to do it, fine. But honestly I don't believe in a vaccine doing much at this point so I think any sacrifice would be futile and pointless.

      I would rather see the Fireflies working on building and settling relatively safe, hospitable communities much in the way of what Tommy and his wife have been able to do.

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    4. I really love that game. Maybe one the best game that I’ve ever played.

      Yeah, I agree a vaccine would probably be useless in the timeframe of the story and the fireflies should definitely change hobbies.

      It’s all that speculation in some boards. Don’t get me wrong I like to speculate or making assumptions by using the facts of the story, it’s actually good for the mind and fun, but there must be a limit. In the end, it’s not like we can ask Ellie or Joel or any of the others for their answers, inputs or whatever, they are after all fictional characters in a story. The (their) story will always be the same with the same lack of evidence or fact about something and the same evidence for something else no matter if we like it or not. So in the end what is the limit?

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  9. Does anyone find it weird that when you start the game the first thing you do is play as Sarah and the last thing you do is play as Elllie? also the first thing you do with Joel is carry Sarah escaping from the zombies and the last thing you do with Joel is carry Ellie to escape the firflies, bit weird uh?

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    1. Haha never noticed the start as Sarah end as Ellie part, good catch. I did however notice the carrying. It was actually kind of sad, the way in which it mimicked the beginning of the game and how Joel lost Sarah. I got an uneasy feeling in my stomach as I was quite worried at that point that it would end the same way. Glad it didn't.

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  10. Thanks for all the great info... Lol...been getting a lot if mixed feelings for the game ATM, but in your opinion do you think even if Ellie knew he lied, do you think she still cared a lot for Joel? (Like say, she knew how much Joel cared and gave a lot of care back to him?) And do you think we might get closure in the upcoming dlc and/or game? :P i do think something might happen between Joel and Ellie later on if we do get any sequels...

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    1. Hey thanks for commenting!

      Yes, I believe she still cares for Joel. At this point they've bonded so much that while she is likely hurt and disappointed that Joel lied to her, she understands why he would do that. The silver lining for her in the lie is that she has found someone that cares for her and would never leave her (which is important because she is afraid of being alone).

      I've heard different things about the DLC but at the end of the day I really don't know a whole lot about it or which direction it'll go in so this is pure speculation.

      I highly doubt we'll be visiting their story again. At least nothing post final scene anyway, so as far as the closure that you're seeking, what you played/saw already is likely all you'll get. I know it might be hard to take but I honestly think it's for the best, I think it would risk ruining how the game ended and how meaningful that last scene was.

      A sequel would be great so long as it preserved the first game, carried just as much weight, and was just as compelling. The problem is, they've created something so amazing with The Last of Us that it's nigh impossible to pull something like that off a second time. Don't get me wrong, I'm absolutely dieing for more Ellie and Joel, I just don't think it's a good idea or that it'll happen.

      Sure I think something could happen between Ellie and Joel, but in my imagination and not in dlc or a sequel. I could totally see another scene with Joel and Ellie sort of going at it over Joel's lie, much like they did in the house in the woods after she ran away on the horse. Or even Ellie deciding to head out on her own only to realize she's made a mistake leaving Joel and then running into trouble on her way back to him.

      There are a lot of things I think could happen, but with the way the game ended you have to make sense of the clues they gave you and put them together to interpret how it all played out to you, and then your imagination takes it from there.

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    2. Wow. Thanks for the reply, this really helped me sink in the problem hahaha. Everything makes sense now! And yea, you are right about the sequels and all.. It would ruin it as it potentially is ATM. One last question, as we all know, in a zombie infested world, there is no right or wrong... Joel did what it took to survive, but in the end he did turn out to be still as we knew, a survivor. Do you think over time his mind might corrupt itself and as of Joel, turn to be as bad as a hunter? Doing selfish deeds and making his other horrible memories (besides Sarah) to overwhelm him? Of course, Ellie is a replacement for Sarah, but in the end, you know she's not Sarah. Maybe the exact same, but not "her". Good thing is, Ellie is still his world, but ... Not "her"... What do you think? Sorry if this post was utterly confusing

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    3. First I just want to quote this from Naughty Dog in regards to a sequel with Joel and Ellie.

      "But as far as whether we come back to Joel and Ellie or not, or whether we come back to the world or not, that's all up in the air. I can tell you there are people in the studio that would love to come back to these characters, but the only way we would do it would be if we had something new, something meaningful to say. Because the last thing we would want to do is repeat ourselves."

      Also, as far as who we'll see in the DLC they will be releasing, they haven't ruled any characters out.

      As far as Joel sort of becoming corrupt or losing himself one step at a time. Honestly I thought it was a bit weird how much he went on about his daughter and Ellie in that last chapter and the way Ellie seemed disinterested in the banter. For a minute I did feel as though he was losing it a bit and was becoming so wrapped up in the two girls and that maybe almost losing Ellie and shooting up the hospital did something to him. But that feeling was fleeting and I really didn't see that as the case.

      I don't see Joel really losing himself or doing selfish deeds as you put it. Here is a man who might finally have some peace and can settle down and actually live a real life. He wants to put what happened behind him and move on and have a life with Ellie. I think it would take something extremely drastic for that to happen at this point.

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    4. Alrighty. Thanks! If i have any more questions ill remember to ask. Thanks a bunch and happy gaming

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  11. I like the symmetry at the end. You start off playing Joel's daughter, and you finish the game playing as Joel's psuedo daughter. Basically Joel couldn't save his daughter at the beginning of the game, there was nothing he can do. He wasn't going to let that happen twice, so he opted to fight for his new daughter's life. I feel as though playing Ellie at the end only reasserts the idea that Ellie is now Joel's daughter, and it's Ellie's turn to protect him.

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  12. Amazing article, truly enjoyed it and the comments :)

    The only closure I can really imagine is that at some point Ellie builds up enough confidence to stand up to Joel and squeeze the truth out of him, just for Joel to respond with the truth and tell her that is not worth it because humanity is already lost ( assuming he believes this) and begging her not to do so (first in a discussion manner and then breaking to tears, as a father would do facing the fact that they might lose their daughter) because he loves her and is the only person he truly loves as her own. I think after this, Ellie would be constantly thinking about what Joel said and confessed to her... struggling in whether leaving him to find a cure or staying with him. After this, I believe she would choose the latter option, as she already has somebody that loves her and cares for who has not died, and an opportunity to live. While on the other side, after all she has gone true, she may come to the conclusion that Joel is actually right and that even if they find a cure, humanity is lost...of course that would furthermore depress her, due to her personality and that the cure was probably her purpose in life, but as she mature probably this would fade away, as she did grew attached to Joel, and they could actually live happier afterwards...but the years to come for Ellie would be truly hard.

    It is just my opinion of a closure, maybe it´s awful... hehe, I just projected my thoughts and what would happen if it actually happened to me if I was Ellie. It would be to much weight on my shoulders, truly overwhelming.
    I just find it hard to believe that after knowing the truth and Joel´s point of view she would simply decide to go and find a way to the fireflies again, as it is true... she has a new purpose in life: Joel. As she admittedly said after leaving Tommy´s haven in horse, that she cared about Joel.

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    1. Haha, I'm glad you could come up with your own sort of resolution. I think it's what a lot of people need to do to help get it off their minds.

      I find it really hard to put myself in Ellie's shoes. She's grown up after the outbreak of the virus so she really has no concept of the world as it was, what is left of it, and what is potentially at stake. So it's hard for me to say what I would do in her situation because these are all things I already know and grasp the concept of, it's why I guess it's easier for me to sympathize and understand Joel a little better.

      With that said, with the world the way it was in The Last of Us, I doubt I'd sacrifice myself for a potential vaccine if it didn't directly save someone I cared about.

      And btw, thanks for reading and commenting!

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  13. sorry for the spelling mistakes hehe wrote in a rush :)

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  14. First I want say that your analysis is really great and exactly what i needed because i cant talk about the ending with any one. The easter eggs made me respect the writer even more.

    And second, am I the only one who likes to think about Joel teaching Ellie how to swim.

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    1. Thanks for commenting and for the kind words, they are much appreciated and very encouraging.

      And no, you're not the only one. I'm really glad that they now have someone to live for.

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    2. I have another question, I've heard people say other things about the ending. Other people think that Joel sees Ellie as a second daughter, which i also do. But they think Ellie doesn't care about Joel as much as Joel cares about Ellie. They also think this is the reason why Ellie looked like she was tired and thinking a lot.

      So what do you think?

      I personally don't think that their case is the truth, I think your view on the ending is the right one. It occured to me that the ending we believe is the more kind of 'Happy Ending'. And maybe that's the reason why we think about it different.

      What would your best argument be to end a conversation with those guys as the victor?

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    3. I think most people will agree that Ellie has become Joel's surrogate daughter at this point. I'm not sure what would lead one to believe that Ellie doesn't care about Joel so much. I don't see anything at all that points to that conclusion, so specific things that might allude to that would be helpful

      You mention that those arguing that believe it's the reason why Ellie looks tired and lost in thought. When do you mean exactly? When they finally reach Salt Lake City or at the very end as they're hiking to Tommy's? Either way I think it's an empty argument because once again, there really isn't any evidence that points to it or at least none that I've seen.

      I explain the change in Ellie's demeanor at Salt Lake city in my post. It's completely obvious what is going on and the whole crashing airplane dream helps explain it. It's a common dream with a very specific interpretation. You can even google it and I'm sure something will come up along the lines of my explanation.

      As far as her sort of being quiet and out of it on the hike to Tommy's, it's her mulling over the fact that their confrontation with the Fireflies was sketchy and didn't make sense, that their journey was for nothing, and contemplating how she's going to confront Joel about it.

      At the end of the day though it just depends on how people interpret it. I honestly see things a certain way but there are subtle hints and cues that I believe are meant to allude to such a line of thought. I just never got any hints or cues that Ellie would feel that way about Joel so it's hard to understand their argument without something to solidify it.

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    4. I was actually reffering to the moments when Joel talked about Sarah. And again, I don't think this way.

      In fact, I think I just found the anwsers myself.

      You have already explained why she was thinking a lot in Salt Lake City. And that she accepted Joel's lie. So those two things prove what was going on.

      About the father-daughter connection, here are a few things that happened before the winter that show that she thought Joel was a father figure. Remember when she was with Henry in the sewers? When she returned to Joel she said: 'I actually shot a few clickers myself, you'd be proud.' You don't say: 'You'd be proud', to a lot of people. I think that you only say that to father figures.

      And do you remember when Joel had to talk to Tommy? Joel wanted to be alone with Tommy. So Ellie had to leave with Tommy's wife. She said: 'Joel...', with a sad voice. So that proves that before the winter, she thought he was a father figure. She also told him about her dream, and I also don't talk about my dreams with a lot of people. And that happened after the winter.

      That could of course change after the winter. But that is not the case. They clearly were even more bonded at the end.

      So this solidifies that it isn't true.

      Don't you agree?

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    5. Just from playing the game, you could see the bond forming between Joel and Ellie as you progressed, so you don't have to convince me.

      There is another scene though along the lines of what you posted. If you recall Joel reuniting with Ellie after the power plant fight at Tommy's, Ellie is emphatically telling Joel about diving over tables and a guy blasting a shotgun. That's when Tommy looks over and says "goddamnit" and realizes he has to help Joel. It's actually a really great scene, you get to see the relationship from the outside by someone who understands what Joel has lost.

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    6. Hey, my Friend! You seems to be the most cleverest dude, who ever reviewed The Last of Us! You such note so many hints in the game, that i haven't even think about. Maybe it's because i don't own the game (No PS3 fuck..) I just experience the game by watching tons of videos about it and reading reviews like that(Yours is by far the best and i read many) and i just love to keep talking about it, because of the many interpretations TLoU offers. I have such one more thing, that would support the idea of the "accepting the lie"-interpretation: In the end of Cutscene Joel and Ellie are located in a simular setting like the cutscene when joel, ellie and Tommy are looking down at Tommy's town and joel deciding to keep sticking together with ellie and in the end cutscene it's actually ellie deciding to stay wih joel by accepting his lie... It's just my interpretation, but i thought it might makes sense.

      P.S. Sorry for my bad english! It isn't my first language.

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    7. Ha, your english isn't bad, and thanks for commenting!

      It's a very similar setting indeed, and it's a bit of a role reversal for both characters like you said. Joel decided to stick it out with Ellie, and now it's her turn to stick it out with him even though he lied. Very nice observation.

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  15. I totally forgot that one.

    Hehe, and sorry for being obvious.

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  17. Great read, you brought up a lot of good points and added a few things i missed during my playthrough (such as the letter from her mother).
    I still haven't really settled on one final "conclusion/ending?" and have found 3 endings which I think makes sence in their own way and haven't yet been convinced of one or the other.

    1. So one of the director said that they changed the ending from Ellie believing the lie 100% to she having her doughts because it felt more "true" to the characters. I don't necessarily think that must mean she know he is lying - only that she have her doughts and that's why she can't let his story go and asks Joel about it. When he swears on it she believes him. Maybe because she fears it to be true, or because they have come so for so even if she wouldn't believe such a lie in the beginning - now she does. I think this explains why she told her story because she had her doughts and really needed to know, and when Joel swears she only says Ok and her eyes tear up because even if she believes him, she still came this far for nothing and can't do anything to help prevent more deaths from happening. (Yes the world might not be worth saving but Ellie thinks so).

    2. The second ending that I can think of, which seems that a lot of people find to be the most likely is that Ellie knew that he was lying so she confronts him about it. She tells her story and asks him to swear on it to "confront him", give him a chance to come clean. She doesn't really accept it but I guess understands that if she where to leave him and go back to the Fireflies it would "kill him". She want's him to come clean because that means that he can accept her decision of leaving and when he don't she knows she can't leave.

    3. About the same as the second one but she know that Joel lied to protect her and can accept that. She lets her old "purpose" go and finds a new purpose to live for. Maybe loves him more for it because he wouldn't even let her go for this, which means he will never leave her and she doesn't really need to fear being alone.

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  18. Great post. I am entirely of your opinion. I might add that by not asking Ellie Fireflies evidently lost their humanity and the claim to be better than the gangs and the military. The way to hell is paved with good intentions. Military is believing to help people and to serve the greater good as well. That's how Joels daughter got shot in the first place. There is a thin red line between wanting to save humanity and loosing it. It is the matter not only of what you do but of HOW you do it as well. Fireflies were wrong, they stepped over the line and didnt even get it. And one life IS worth the whole world.
    Joel's the man.

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  19. Thank you very much for your intelligent analysis of this game. I just completed it about 20 minutes ago and your assessments ring true to me. The whole way through the game I felt this was humanity's lowest, again and again. Joel was putting up walls and somehow it felt like this was what enabled him to survive like he did, brutally carving up anyone in his path, his violence and outlet for the grief he doesn't dare to face.

    Ellie is a maturing person, rapidly so because of this world they live in and she comes to see the brutality. She doesn't see the nobility in humanity we know exists, because we don't see it. The best she has is Joel and he is a emotionally handicapped and extremely violent man. So I also don't believe she was ready to sacrifice her own life. That was never on the table.

    Along the way we slowly see Joel becoming more of a human being and it is because of Ellie. Sadly, we also see Ellie become more shut and less innocent and optimistic. When she makes the joke at the hotel, Joel just says she is a weird kid. Her being a child is painfully squashed down again and again.

    So her maturing is stumped. And Joel lying to her at the end is another moment where he is afraid to be honest, harming their relationship in the process. Yet, like you say, it's the best she has.

    Giving Tommy's settlement a shot is the best thing they can do. Instead of turning to violence again, (and forced surgery is definitely a form of violence) they can build up. Be self sufficient, establish community. It's the only way forward, in both their world and our real world.

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    1. Hey, thanks for the response! And I agree, it's kind of sad that by the end of the game we see Ellie and Joel sort of switch personas. Like you said, Ellie helps Joel regain some of the humanity that he had lost and gives him a reason to live again.

      Meanwhile Ellie has become a bit hardened by their journey and the trials they've had to overcome. She's lost some of her innocence and optimism but you can only hope it's a phase that will soon pass if they can find some semblance of a "normal" existence at Tommy's. While most of the world has gone to hell, the giraffe scene and Tommy's place are a nice reminder that maybe not all is lost.

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